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A "system" is a human being with more than one 'individual'.

9:48 PM

In other words, a host and tulpa are a "system" of two.

ah, that explains it.

9:49 PM

I thought it was people with more than one tulpa.

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thanks.

It is also commonly used with other communities about multiplicities.

9:49 PM

A DID patient with multiple alters could arguably be called a "system" as well.

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Other people claiming multiplicity with other terms such as daemons (essentially the same as described in The Golden Compass), egregores, or whatever other terms people have made also tend to use the term "system".

Can a Tulpa be opposite handed then you?

when they're fronting they'll generally use the same muscle memory as you since that's inherent to the body, but when it comes to their form they use in a wonderland and stuff, sure

Naa, I ment body. Thanks.

They can practice, but to my knowledge handed-ness is a physical trait.

[If a tulpa always used the opposite hand in wonderland. Would it be natural for them to do the same in the body? It's an interesting question.]

Tulpas that are used to differences in their forms, when getting used to switching, are usually uncomfortable with that specific thing. It doesn't carry over their being used to whatever to the body's memory of itself, and the tulpa will need to either get used to it or get used to passively imposing whatever's missing or different.

11:32 PM

Reisen and Tewi passively impose their rabbit ears whenever relevant, but they're non-physical for the sake of headphones and such.

[Idk. Our voice always naturally changes when we try and talk and we can't even speak like each other without substantial effort.]

Seems different.

if you're referring to the voice you hear in thoughts (not your physical voice), yeah that seems fairly normal

[Nope, physical]

Humans use a wide variety of voices, but not so for handedness.

oh, your physical voice changes depending on who's fronting? (edited)

I think the main difference is, if they don't mind still sounding similar to the host, they can change their voice without too much conflict.

[Yup]

Voice changes are easier than handedness changes. The voice is much more flexible and the habits more mental. Not so with handedness, where the habits are physical and ingrained in neural networks more than speaking habits. .

yeah, it took me a while of actively training at it to become ambidextrous

Are you naturally left handed?

no, naturally right handed

Oh, that's impressive then.

11:37 PM

The large majority of ambidextrous people are naturally left handed.

[And I can't rock a hula hop anywhere near the skill of Sete /= It's awkward. hummm I need to try other movements.]

Hi everyone! I'm mainly just here to observe

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Hi. Uh, day 2 for me.

Cool. I like your spelling of physics

Holy shit you're literally the first person to get that.

Day 526 for us

What do you mean, day?

...that is the number of days since beginning tulpamancy

Only a year and a half?

12:31 AM

I could have sworn you had been here much longer.

[Hah, don't let syscourses hear that DID can "arguably" claim to be systems. They'd blow a fuse XD]

Hah.

12:41 AM

I can't say I would really exclude them from saying that. My thought was simply that DID tends to be a different type of claim from most multiplicity in which the 'alters' are considered to be more independent in different ways.

12:41 AM

I don't find anything wrong with the term being used.

I believe the term actually originated from DID patients

I stand corrected, then.

[Mmm. It's more so that they claim that only DID are "legitimate" systems. Going by the definition that a DID person with alters is a system rather than the classic multiple persons in 1 body]

Whether or not DID can exclusively use the term system is fairly debated and not something I have enough knowledge about to answer.

Unsurprisingly, I would disagree with the idea that it is a DID-exclusive term.

[Mostly people differentiate by saying a "DID system" or "traumagenic system".]

Yes.

@Beckett Nope. Dec 2016

Alright.

Hi all

3:14 AM

I'm trying to create (well not really create but keep reading) my tulpa, Ikari

3:14 AM

kinda having a bit of trouble

3:15 AM

now it's only been couple of days since I created her and I know you're supposed to take at least some decent amount of time before they speak much but

3:15 AM

I've been reading some of the guides

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and I read one where it sad assume any stray thoughts you have are your tulpa's so ok been doing that

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read another about narrating constantly

3:16 AM

but really I guess my problem is...I've created her but IDK how to force

that "assuming" is not good advice, by the way. People have stray thoughts.

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it's truly unusual things that you should assume are your tulpa.

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but, anyway, you answered your own question. Narrate constantly.

welp it had a sort of chart

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like

3:18 AM

Your tulpa speaks and you identify it as her. Good job. 

You speak and you identify it as your tulpa. Your tulpa may be a little irritated but it'll help her learn to serparate her voice.

Your tulpa speaks and you identify it as you. Your tulpa is now irritated and may treat it like parrotting.

You speak and Identify you. Great job genius.

3:19 AM

so basically it said if you always assume random thoughts, esp. thoughts regarding your current train of thought, are your Tulpa....sooner or later it'll learn to sound differently

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So anyway my main question is

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how do you force any given thing....i.e. personality

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and in what order do most people force

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I suck with figure it out for yourself kind of things...

why are you trying to force given things?

I've had a couple of instances where I think my tupla spoke, specifically when introducing it to my friend's tulpa (coulda been me parrotting but it's so new IDK)

3:21 AM

uhhh IDK aren't you supposed to?

3:22 AM

I'm not about the let it develop on it's own thing...I have specific morals I want to instill into it so...?

well, generally, they'll inherit basic morals from you. They share a brain, after all.

ok I suppose that's true

and, I think there's a line. If you notice anything "weird", assume it was your tulpa. But not every random or (especially) intrusive thought. Nothing good lies in that direction.

talking to my friend's tulpa (which she created herself over a few years without guides or anything) one of the things he said was create rules so ok I've done that but... :/

3:23 AM

I guess I'm not entirely sure what forcing constitutes

3:24 AM

And I'm also not entirely sure how to direct things at my tulpa

3:24 AM

I've talked to myself my whole life, to the point where people have asked me if I'm nuts (I'm not)

3:25 AM

so....when I start talking to myself I've been stopping myself and saying, No, I'm speaking TO YOU Ikari

3:25 AM

but then I just rant on as usual...

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so IDK if that counts

@9 Mil + Ika - That chart unfortunately discounts the other possibility of you speaking and misidentifying it - falling into roleplaying, ignoring any genuinely separate developing tulpa.

huh

Which, some people take a long time to notice, and can end with difficulty reigning it in later.

welp it was on the approved list on the site so...you might want to look at that

There is another option that the chart doesn't mention.

3:27 AM

Don't assume either.

basically, imagine there's already another person in your head, and talk to it.

I mean for me, there already is another person

good, then, talk "to" that.

Accept that you don't know if there are "responses" that you aren't sure of.

and what kind of "rules" does your friend mean?

I guess I don't have any problem accepting there being a secondary entity

Not being sure and not assuming isn't a bad thing by any means.

well lemme pull up my little txt where I wrote all this down

Beyond that, keep in mind that it does take time to establish a tulpa, just as it takes time to establish any changes in thought, even solely behavioral ones.